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		<title>By: DJPhil</title>
		<link>http://www.musicscribe.com/blog/wordpress/?p=2129&#038;cpage=1#comment-6946</link>
		<dc:creator>DJPhil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d venture a guess that Canaan closed its doors due to lack of interest in the Southern Gospel music field when they found that that everybody couldn&#039;t make a lot of money even with big name groups...again, just a wild guess.
 It may not work for you, but I think for a southern gospel artist like Mike and Kelly, it works for them. Your model doesn&#039;t address my second point and most groups are making their money from concert sales, not outside CD sales, so until a group has run through their tour book and are doing concerts in the same place for the second time since their last CD, there is not a demand for a new CD and the thousands of dollars to pay for it.  Also as Daniel mentioned it doesn&#039;t work well for radio to focus on one artist in a heavy rotation forsaking others that don&#039;t have a &quot;new&quot; project... you said yourself,  &quot;Most songs, including currents should be on the medium list. I hate heavy rotation. :o)&quot;   
I think for a radio station wanting to sell CDs from their website your idea would work well, feature a new CD for a week giving a discount to the listeners &quot;buying this week&quot; but otherwise I don&#039;t see the incentive on the radio stations part to devote that much time to one artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d venture a guess that Canaan closed its doors due to lack of interest in the Southern Gospel music field when they found that that everybody couldn&#8217;t make a lot of money even with big name groups&#8230;again, just a wild guess.<br />
 It may not work for you, but I think for a southern gospel artist like Mike and Kelly, it works for them. Your model doesn&#8217;t address my second point and most groups are making their money from concert sales, not outside CD sales, so until a group has run through their tour book and are doing concerts in the same place for the second time since their last CD, there is not a demand for a new CD and the thousands of dollars to pay for it.  Also as Daniel mentioned it doesn&#8217;t work well for radio to focus on one artist in a heavy rotation forsaking others that don&#8217;t have a &#8220;new&#8221; project&#8230; you said yourself,  &#8220;Most songs, including currents should be on the medium list. I hate heavy rotation. :o)&#8221;<br />
I think for a radio station wanting to sell CDs from their website your idea would work well, feature a new CD for a week giving a discount to the listeners &#8220;buying this week&#8221; but otherwise I don&#8217;t see the incentive on the radio stations part to devote that much time to one artist.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJPhil,
You picked the worst possible example and it makes my point perfectly. It&#039;s true that Mike and Kelly Bowling do a fantastic job getting to the top of the chart. Meanwhile, their record label has closed its doors.

If I hear a song from their latest CD on the radio, I&#039;m going to think, &quot;I&#039;ve had the CD with that song for nearly three years.&quot; Hearing yet another single won&#039;t convince anyone to go buy a second copy. 

It may keep their name on the air and indirectly benefit concert attendance should they come to your area. It may even become a number one song on the chart, so there is some minor benefit, sure. If that benefit doesn&#039;t translate into sales, though, what&#039;s the point? If I were an artist, I&#039;d want my stuff to be on the air everyday, too...but if radio would offer the option of Super Heavy rotation for surrounding my CD&#039;s street date and medium to light rotation thereafter, that&#039;s definitely what I would want to have happen vs. the current model that hangs most of my hopes on the first single.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJPhil,<br />
You picked the worst possible example and it makes my point perfectly. It&#8217;s true that Mike and Kelly Bowling do a fantastic job getting to the top of the chart. Meanwhile, their record label has closed its doors.</p>
<p>If I hear a song from their latest CD on the radio, I&#8217;m going to think, &#8220;I&#8217;ve had the CD with that song for nearly three years.&#8221; Hearing yet another single won&#8217;t convince anyone to go buy a second copy. </p>
<p>It may keep their name on the air and indirectly benefit concert attendance should they come to your area. It may even become a number one song on the chart, so there is some minor benefit, sure. If that benefit doesn&#8217;t translate into sales, though, what&#8217;s the point? If I were an artist, I&#8217;d want my stuff to be on the air everyday, too&#8230;but if radio would offer the option of Super Heavy rotation for surrounding my CD&#8217;s street date and medium to light rotation thereafter, that&#8217;s definitely what I would want to have happen vs. the current model that hangs most of my hopes on the first single.</p>
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		<title>By: DJPhil</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJPhil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an interesing idea, but I don&#039;t think it is really beneficial to the groups for two reasons. 1. a group wants to have a song playing in strong rotation at all times just like Coke continues to advertise even though everybody knows about Coke. If you play several songs at one time and those songs die out, then the group gets limited airplay until a new project comes out OR 2. The groups are forced to release more songs off the project then they really wanted to and then the additional costs of releasing more singles become a factor also. I myself would like to see singles released a little quicker to radio instead of letting a song die on the chart, but that still pressures a group to pay to release an extra single or record a project sooner than they wanted to.  Chart wise, Mike and Kelly Bowling have been doing a great job, they recorded a project with a lot of great songs and I think they may release every one of them by the time it is over! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an interesing idea, but I don&#8217;t think it is really beneficial to the groups for two reasons. 1. a group wants to have a song playing in strong rotation at all times just like Coke continues to advertise even though everybody knows about Coke. If you play several songs at one time and those songs die out, then the group gets limited airplay until a new project comes out OR 2. The groups are forced to release more songs off the project then they really wanted to and then the additional costs of releasing more singles become a factor also. I myself would like to see singles released a little quicker to radio instead of letting a song die on the chart, but that still pressures a group to pay to release an extra single or record a project sooner than they wanted to.  Chart wise, Mike and Kelly Bowling have been doing a great job, they recorded a project with a lot of great songs and I think they may release every one of them by the time it is over! lol</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,
How many songs are on each list? 

I think the classics/light list should either be huge (300 songs or so), or better yet, a list of 25 or so that&#039;s completely swapped out once a week. I love &quot;Midnight Cry,&quot; but if you&#039;re playing something as old as &quot;Midnight Cry&quot; once a day, then you&#039;re short changing all the other wonderful classics that have come and gone. 

Most songs, including currents should be on the medium list.

I hate heavy rotation. :o)

Still, that being said, the goal of radio is to please their listeners, not sell CDs...but wait, selling more CDs, in theory, should add more listeners. So, it seems to me the goal of record labels and radio stations should be to do whatever it takes to tell listeners, &quot;Hey, you really ought to buy this new CD by the Hoppers.&quot; Then, the next month, push another great artist who has a new CD. Or if several new CDs are releasing around the same time, push multiple singles by the same artist for two or three weeks rather than a full month. 

So, I think it would be beneficial to the industry if an artist was played once every hour for a period of one month or so when they have a new CD...heavy rotation, but it&#039;s a really short list if it&#039;s just one artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,<br />
How many songs are on each list? </p>
<p>I think the classics/light list should either be huge (300 songs or so), or better yet, a list of 25 or so that&#8217;s completely swapped out once a week. I love &#8220;Midnight Cry,&#8221; but if you&#8217;re playing something as old as &#8220;Midnight Cry&#8221; once a day, then you&#8217;re short changing all the other wonderful classics that have come and gone. </p>
<p>Most songs, including currents should be on the medium list.</p>
<p>I hate heavy rotation. :o)</p>
<p>Still, that being said, the goal of radio is to please their listeners, not sell CDs&#8230;but wait, selling more CDs, in theory, should add more listeners. So, it seems to me the goal of record labels and radio stations should be to do whatever it takes to tell listeners, &#8220;Hey, you really ought to buy this new CD by the Hoppers.&#8221; Then, the next month, push another great artist who has a new CD. Or if several new CDs are releasing around the same time, push multiple singles by the same artist for two or three weeks rather than a full month. </p>
<p>So, I think it would be beneficial to the industry if an artist was played once every hour for a period of one month or so when they have a new CD&#8230;heavy rotation, but it&#8217;s a really short list if it&#8217;s just one artist.</p>
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		<title>By: quartet-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>quartet-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol David</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Britt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting idea, David. The standard way of radio programming, and the way we program radio at Joy FM, allows for a very limited amount of slots for new singles.

Among that chunk of &quot;currents&quot; we have: a heavy, medium and light category.

As you can imagine, the heavy category is for a select few.

To keep a sound that is not focused too much on one artist, you&#039;d have to limit an artist to one song in the heavy category. 

If their second single was in a medium or light category at the same time, their heavy single would always usurp the right to be played first. Heavy is given priority. If the heavy song plays every 3 hours, more than likely, that artist would not be allowed to play much outside of that one song, without generating a rotation error. 

If it did allow the second single to be play, it would negate any of that artist&#039;s classic songs from the past.

So... the focus would be 100% on the artist&#039;s two NEW songs with almost zero chance for that group&#039;s classic/recurrent/gold songs to play.

Hour 1: SONG A
Hour 2: SONG B 
Hour 3: SONG A
Hour 4: SONG B

at this rate, we&#039;re playing that artist once per hour. Any more than that is probably oversaturated. Note that there is now no room for any other song by that artist. If you&#039;re a two-hit wonder, that&#039;s good. But if you&#039;ve had huge success in the past, say goodbye to that brand recognition.

The risk there is this: we KNOW that Gold City&#039;s Midnight Cry was and still is a huge song. We&#039;re &quot;not sure&quot; about the next single they send out. *We* may like it, but who knows if will have the staying power of a Midnight Cry with the audience.

We&#039;ll take a chance on a good single to give it a shot to make an impact, but.......

Radio is going to bank on Midnight Cry as being a song we can count on getting a good reaction. Putting something else on with such exclusive airplay in place of Midnight Cry is a risk.

(having said all that, sometimes risks are worth taking!)

I still like your idea; it&#039;s thinking outside the box, outside of the current system,  and asking the right questions. I think if radio thinks outside the box, too, we could find a way to adapt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting idea, David. The standard way of radio programming, and the way we program radio at Joy FM, allows for a very limited amount of slots for new singles.</p>
<p>Among that chunk of &#8220;currents&#8221; we have: a heavy, medium and light category.</p>
<p>As you can imagine, the heavy category is for a select few.</p>
<p>To keep a sound that is not focused too much on one artist, you&#8217;d have to limit an artist to one song in the heavy category. </p>
<p>If their second single was in a medium or light category at the same time, their heavy single would always usurp the right to be played first. Heavy is given priority. If the heavy song plays every 3 hours, more than likely, that artist would not be allowed to play much outside of that one song, without generating a rotation error. </p>
<p>If it did allow the second single to be play, it would negate any of that artist&#8217;s classic songs from the past.</p>
<p>So&#8230; the focus would be 100% on the artist&#8217;s two NEW songs with almost zero chance for that group&#8217;s classic/recurrent/gold songs to play.</p>
<p>Hour 1: SONG A<br />
Hour 2: SONG B<br />
Hour 3: SONG A<br />
Hour 4: SONG B</p>
<p>at this rate, we&#8217;re playing that artist once per hour. Any more than that is probably oversaturated. Note that there is now no room for any other song by that artist. If you&#8217;re a two-hit wonder, that&#8217;s good. But if you&#8217;ve had huge success in the past, say goodbye to that brand recognition.</p>
<p>The risk there is this: we KNOW that Gold City&#8217;s Midnight Cry was and still is a huge song. We&#8217;re &#8220;not sure&#8221; about the next single they send out. *We* may like it, but who knows if will have the staying power of a Midnight Cry with the audience.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll take a chance on a good single to give it a shot to make an impact, but&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Radio is going to bank on Midnight Cry as being a song we can count on getting a good reaction. Putting something else on with such exclusive airplay in place of Midnight Cry is a risk.</p>
<p>(having said all that, sometimes risks are worth taking!)</p>
<p>I still like your idea; it&#8217;s thinking outside the box, outside of the current system,  and asking the right questions. I think if radio thinks outside the box, too, we could find a way to adapt.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, 
What&#039;s the difference in deliberately painting a wall blue with white trim around the edges vs. standing back and firing various colors of paint gun pellets at the wall?
:o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,<br />
What&#8217;s the difference in deliberately painting a wall blue with white trim around the edges vs. standing back and firing various colors of paint gun pellets at the wall?<br />
:o)</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Boreing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Boreing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re gonna do that, what would be the difference between sending three singles at once and just sending an entire album and letting the DJ&#039;s pick the songs they wanna play? Instead of just 3 songs, they could have 10-12 possible hits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re gonna do that, what would be the difference between sending three singles at once and just sending an entire album and letting the DJ&#8217;s pick the songs they wanna play? Instead of just 3 songs, they could have 10-12 possible hits.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel J. Mount</title>
		<link>http://www.musicscribe.com/blog/wordpress/?p=2129&#038;cpage=1#comment-6925</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel J. Mount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a genius idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a genius idea.</p>
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