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Kyle Boreing
Mar 10, 2009
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Recording Oddities – “Loving God, Loving Each Other”

Having numerous experiences in studios (both as a performer and as a producer and engineer), I’ve trained my ears to listen closely to recordings for any oddities that may exist. In my own recordings, I’ve caught distortion in various tracks, bad punches, awkward mixes, and (since I record at home) numerous “outside noises” such as a baby crying or someone dropping something in the other room.

I’ve also had the ability to catch such oddities in other artists’ recordings. Uneven cut-offs, mispronunciations, missed notes, etc., have all been caught while listening. For fun, I’ll point out some of the stranger clips I’ve found, and we’ll start with a classic Gaither Vocal Band song.

While listening to the album cut of the GVB’s “Loving God, Loving Each Other,” I noticed somewhat of a blooper. The third chorus (following the second verse) has what sounds like someone knocking a guitar while they were recording. Specifically, it happens the second time they sing “Loving God, loving each other” during that chorus.

Initially, I thought it was a bad punch out, but it happens in both the far left and far right channels (which is where acoustic rhythm guitars are usually mixed), which is why I believe it may have been someone knocking either the guitar or the mic during the tracking process.

What makes it strange, though, is that this glitch is not heard on any other version of this song I’ve heard thus far. The track used during the Back Home In Indiana concert (which was actually an unfinished version, as it had not yet had the string section added) does not have this error, and the studio version that was included on the Best of the GVB also is missing the strange sound. I checked on YouTube at a third version that uses this track, and I can’t tell for sure if the glitch is there or not, as the mix is not very clear.

I suppose it’s entirely possible that it could have been a mistake in the mastering process for the Lovin’ God & Lovin’ Each Other album specifically. Why would every other version of this song not have this error? It’s also entirely possible that the error DID happen during the recording process, and was caught and fixed on everything BUT the album it shares a name with. Things like this happen all the time, when a record company gets the wrong mix/master of a song and releases it without realizing the problem. I have multiple versions of numerous songs, where someone has gone back later and fixed a problem with an earlier edition.

I’m not even entirely sure that if you buy the CD now, it will still have that error, as Gaither may have fixed it on all subsequent printings. If you bought this CD when it first came out, though, give “Loving God, Loving Each Other” a listen and see what you think….

29 Responses to "Recording Oddities – “Loving God, Loving Each Other”"

1 | admin

March 10th, 2009 at 1:16 am

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Kyle,
Great catch. On my copy, it sounds like a bad splice.

The next line leads into the key change. I think what probably happened is they copied the first part of the chorus over and didn’t get it lined up exactly right.

It actually sounds like there’s an extra quarter or half of a beat in there, and it jumps from one side to the other. I think there’s a quick gap in the left channel first and then the right.

For anyone wanting the specific time code, jump to 3:30 in the song and listen to the second “loving.”

2 | admin

March 10th, 2009 at 1:23 am

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I uploaded a clip so people can play at home:

http://www.musicscribe.com/audio/gvblovinggod.mp3

3 | admin

March 10th, 2009 at 2:04 am

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And here’s an image of the waveform of the first syllable of the word “loving.” You may not be able to read the scale at the bottom, but the waveform is 1/2 of one second in duration.

http://www.musicscribe.com/images/gvblovinggod.jpg

I’ve highlighted the areas that show the glitch.

After listening to the channels separately, I’m 99% sure that’s the bass guitar.

The vocals line up perfectly, but I can hear and see the bass guitar’s downbeat hitting a split second later in the upper track (left channel). By the very next beat, it’s correct again, so this must have happened when they copied and pasted a single bass note into place and somehow did it in mono mode so that one channel got offset slightly.

4 | Kyle Boreing

March 10th, 2009 at 2:12 am

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Ain’t it fun being an audiophile?!?!

5 | quartet-man

March 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am

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Yeah, I noticed that right away too. I even went back at the time and checked to see if my Cd player skipped slightly. :-)

Another cool thing that is well documented is on the song Praise The Lord by the Imperials. At the end, there is thunder heard. They recorded it at the producer’s house during a storm and kept it in. It IS a powerful performance though.

6 | Keith Davis

March 10th, 2009 at 8:54 am

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I have one that immediately popped into my head when reading this. On the Gold City Revival CD is it just my CD or everyone’s where the bass on Teach Me Lord (I think that is the title?) is distorted?
I’ll have more when I think and sleep (LOL!)

8 | Adam Edwards

March 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am

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I uploaded a clip of mine (http://www.adamedwardsdesigns.com/gaither%20clip/gaither.html) before I read the comments, but @ the 5 second point on mine, it is clearly been removed. I have several local projects that have many clicks in them where something was redone while recording. Those are very irritating.

9 | Daniel Britt

March 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am

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So THAT’s what that is. I literally have this on my current “to-do” list to review that song, thinking that it was a glitch in our Joy FM server that holds all of our music. I thought that my personal CD copy from years ago simply had a “scratch” or something when I heard it at home back in the 90′s … but I thought it was an odd coincidence when I heard it on the air the other day.

Crazy!

10 | Ben Harris

March 10th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

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It looks to me like a bad edit. I think the chorus was looped, and you are hearing the end of some instrument. My guess is the edit was probably just beyond this “bump” but when they did the crossfade between the two, it allowed the end of the cut to be heard. Just a theory mind you.

11 | CWG

March 10th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

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You must have way too much time to kill.

12 | Chris Unthank

March 10th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

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I was really having a hard time with this cause I couldn’t hear what you guys were talking about…

Then I realized I was on the wrong “loving”…wooops…

13 | admin

March 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

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The more I listen, the more it sounds like an acoustic guitar strum that’s late rather than the bass guitar…or perhaps it’s both.

Here is a clip of the right channel playing the upbeat and the downbeat in a repeating loop:
http://www.musicscribe.com/audio/gvblovingrightloop.wav

Notice how the strum and the vocals hit “love” at the same time.

Now here is a clip of the defective left channel looping the same two beats:
http://www.musicscribe.com/audio/gvblovingleftloop.wav

The vocals still hit at the same point, but it sounds like the strum is slightly delayed.

My guess is that the earlier chorus was “flown” to this chorus (copied from an earlier chorus in the same key). Perhaps the copy/paste was done in stereo, but the crossfade for the transition was done separately on the left and right channels…or maybe the strum got “bumped” later.

In using SONAR software, I’ve made some unintended edits a few times when I didn’t realize a clip was highlighted. If I get in the habit of selecting multiple clips using the Ctrl key rather than the shift key, and I forget and hold down that Ctrl key when selecting the first clip, any previously selected clip remains selected. Then when I move the clips, all the clips I intended to move are shifted along with the previously selected clip I DIDN’T intend to move.

There’s several ways something like this can happen when editing digitally.

14 | admin

March 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

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CWG,
Well, I can’t speak for Kyle, but I definitely do! I examined these samples under a “microscope” until it was WAY past my bedtime last night! :o)

-DBM

15 | Dan Keeton

March 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

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WOW, Someone Call Bill! A recall is in order!

16 | Andrew S.

March 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

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If you listen closely to the Hoppers studio recording of “Let the Redeemed Say So”, you may hear Kim’s voice crack around 3:11 – 3:13. The Perrys’ song, “I Can I Have I Will”, also has what sounds like people talking at the beginning of the last chorus at 2:10 – 2:13.

17 | Grigs

March 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

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I will never laugh at stamp collectors again…lol

18 | Jeremy Miles

March 10th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

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I have often wondered about the lyrics of the song “Whenever we agree together” on GVB’s God is Good album. It seems like part of the second and third verse got transposed. The first verse is talking about Paul and Silas being in Jail and says a mighty power filled the place, and then the second verse seems to be talking about Acts Chapter 2 and the upper room as it talks about a few believers came together all in one accord, then later it says the “Jail began to shake”, then goes on to say “no longer weak, they began to speak…. Is it just me, or does it not seemed those two lines, “A mighty power… and “The jail began to shake… ” got transposed.

19 | quartet-man

March 10th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

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I remember reading where Chad on the Oaks board (I think) was working with Garland (Craft) on a gospel recording. He cut the Flowers Kissed The Shoes (Jesus Wore) that the Oaks did on their Light lp in 1972. Garland heard for the first time a place where Duane Allen (who owned and owns a great voice) miss a note when holding it on the seocond verse. All those years and Garland had never noticed it until sometime this decade. Of course back then, things were much hard and expensive to fix, and they generally didn’t. Even labels like HeartWarming and pros like the Oaks.

Then Herman Harper missed a note on an Oaks recording on Skylite. Noel on the live version of Jesus Is Coming Soon from Performance doesn’t auite get down to the low note on the gliss at the end. However, even with a Christmas lp, on MCA there was a harmony vocal on a key change that was out of tune bad for a few notes that wasn’t fixed.

Even on a J.D. and the Stamps recording (indy) in the nineties, J.D attemptred to slide down from an A beneath middle C down to a double low C and was about a half step too high.

Now, even pros are human and make mistakes, so I don’t mean to dis, I just find it interesting that sometimes the things aren’t fixed. I am not one to want things sanitized but certain things are just distracting. There is a nice balance that can be had. :)

20 | Ann D

March 11th, 2009 at 1:29 am

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Please don’t listen to ANY Downing albums :). And we were very careful!!!

21 | Art Coach

March 11th, 2009 at 2:08 am

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Turn your volume up and listen to L5′s “You Better Run” from Strong in the Strength…After the music stops you hear a *sigh*

22 | Trevor Thompson

March 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

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I could be wrong but it sounds like a percussion instrument since it happens write on the beat and is preceded by a higher pitch woodblock on the upbeat. I say this because Terry McMillan was playing the harmonica on that song and probably did the percussion work as well. He usually did both harmonica and percussion in the studio during that time period. His style on percussion was very much what he felt at that perticular moment and could have been a random lick. Also would explain why it is not on other mixes since auxilary percussion was usually the last track added to a cut.

23 | Quaid

March 12th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

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I’m convinced that Guy Penrod punched-in one line in the second verse of the song “God Is Good”. David Phelps sings on that verse up untill “He’ll put food in your kitchen when you don’t have a dime”. The scary thing is that Guy sounds soooo much like David on the line. But REALLY LISTEN HARD to the word “dime” at the end of that line. Notice the change in vocal timbere as David resumes the lead on the next word ,”He’s”, and the remaining line of the verse.
Is it just me? Are my ears going crazy, or is it REALLY Guy on that line?

24 | Quaid

March 12th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

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Oh, and another thing.
I have a “Star Tracks” (something like a knock-off version of Daywind) preformance track to the Isaacs’ song “Honestly” that, at the end of the song, you very clearly hear a telephone ringing from somewhere in the studio.

Gold City’s project “First Class” is a real joy to listen to when you’re trying to sharpen your ears to the mechanical issues on recordings. There’s something to pick out and closley listen to on just about every song.

25 | Quaid

March 12th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

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Listen to “Hide Thou Me” on the Gaither Vocal Band’s CD “I Do Beleive”.
As David Phelps is holding out “Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee….” acapella, his voice suddenly changes. I’m not sure if it’s a punch-in, or pitch correction kicking in, or something else. What do you all think?

26 | Cliff Cerce

March 12th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

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Two things readily come to mind.

If I remember correctly, Dean Hopper’s second line on his verse of “Yes I Am” alsways sounded like a punch to me. I don’t have it right here before me – so it might have been the entrance to the 3rd line, not the 2nd line – but the breath seemed altered by the punch – and it just always sounded like a bad punch to me. When I was a full-time recording engineer, I used to have artists re-do lines just to hide an obvious punch.

Back in the days when it was all done live, a mistake by a singer could ruin a whole take, unless they just re-did a segment and edited it in by a splice. No one wanted to be the one responsible for causing a whole song to be re-recorded.

JD Sumner’s genius and quick-thinking can be appreciated by listening to the Blackwood’s recording of “A Wonderful Time Up There” (Gospel Boogie) from the “Gloryland Jubilee” album.

Listen to JD’s last note. He misses nailing it right-on, and then gets off of it immediately – so it isn’t readily noticeable that he missed the pitch. If he hung on, or tried to correct and adjust it, they would have probably had to re-do the song, or the ending. That was a heads-up play by JD – pure instinct by a pro.

27 | Kyle Boreing

March 13th, 2009 at 2:40 am

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Quaid, I don’t think that’s Guy, although I agree the vocal quality does sound different. David has a very strong vibrato, which Guy usually does not, and “dime” is very vibrato-heavy, so it leads me to believe that it’s David.

28 | QwertyJuan

March 14th, 2009 at 12:23 am

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I agree Kyle, it’s def. David.

29 | phil

March 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

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The Gaither clip IMO sounds like a very bad edit. Although it’s hard to imagine anyone not catching it, nobody in their right mind would let that through. More likely it is a mastering glitch, unnoticed when the CD was duped.

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