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David Bruce Murray
Mar 06, 2010
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Promotion Challenges

Robert York started a thread and poll at Southerngospelforums.com recently on the topic of concert ticket pricing. York promotes several events each year in Georgia. His thread has developed into a discussion about methods for attracting more fans to events and finding the right price point/combination. It’s well worth the read if you’re interested in such matters.

York says the biggest challenge he’s facing in 2010 is higher rates for talent to the tune of 20-25% increases over the amounts he paid in 2009. Financially, York’s events have not been rewarding in the past, so he expects to be reducing the number of events he promotes this year.

There’s a concert association in my area that promotes seven events per year with a season pass in the $55-60 range and they also sell individual tickets at the door for $12. A typical concert includes one soloist doing two songs, a local or regional group doing about 40 minutes total on the evening (total of first and second sets) and a featured group like the Inspirations, Hoppers, Kingdom Heirs or Triumphant singing for about an hour and half.

This pricing structure seems like it would be a bit on the low side compared to some other events I’ve attended, but then, most other events I travel out of the area to attend include at least two or three major name groups rather than just one.

If you have attended a Southern Gospel concert recently, what was the ticket price and who was on the bill? I’m curious to know the range of pricing. I know the bottom end is free/love offering, but I’m mainly interested in hearing about events that had an upfront ticket.

14 Responses to "Promotion Challenges"

1 | Brian N

March 6th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

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Well, I believe my tickets for the Gaither concert in Lexington in May were about $40 apiece, and then of course Brian Free and Assurance is one of the last big name groups that do concerts for a love offering. Those are the most recent concerts I have attended outside of the NQC. Interestingly enough, the NQC tickets I purchased for a single night were cheaper than the Gaither tickets.

2 | JimT

March 6th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

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Saw Legacy 5 in November for $20, but it was a fund raiser and the group either appeared free or reduced their normal fees, so this may not be fair comparison.

3 | admin

March 6th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

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Brian,
Artists are usually paid a flat fee regardless of how the promoter chooses to get people into the building. The only time an artist would really have any input as to whether or not an event is offered for a love offering is when they’re footing the bill for the concert themselves. Was that the case with Brian Free & Assurance?

Most likely, the person who made that decision was the promoter who brought them to town and was required to pay them a certain fee regardless of the amount given in the love offering.

4 | Brian N

March 6th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

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Brian Free and Assurance always do their concerts for a love offering. It is artist decision, they even make a comment to that effect at their concerts before the love offering is taken. This may change as the economy toughens, but at this point BFA chooses to do concerts for the love offering. What I have noticed is that items at their product table are more expensive than equal products at other concerts, this is probably one way to attempt to make up some of the difference between ticketing the event and what is collected in a love offering.

5 | D.RIGGINS

March 6th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

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Coming up,May 15,benefit sponsored by Serra Honda,featuring The Kingsmen and The Greenes, $15 advance and $20 at the door.Location is The Weogufka Center,Weogufka,Al.

6 | admin

March 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

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Brian,
I can assure you they don’t do that always, because I have been to more than one concert where Brian Free & Assurance were performing and I had to buy a ticket to get in.

7 | Bryan

March 6th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

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Hoppers with Greater Love, $20, Also Booth Brothers $20. We have had several groups at our church with Love Offering and it doesn’t come close to covering the expenses. We are looking at ticketed events in the future

8 | Revpaul

March 7th, 2010 at 8:53 am

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Concerts at my church are always advertised as “love offering” so anyone can attend. But the agreement with the group is “love offering with a guaranteed minimum of $x”. And like Bryan said, usually the offering doesn’t come close to covering the expenses, so the church makes up the difference. In the rare event that the offering is larger, the group gets it all, just to keep the advertising honest. We promote SG because we love the music and the message.

9 | DJPhil

March 7th, 2010 at 9:47 am

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I find it interesting that in these difficult times groups would be charging that much more than last year. That seems like they may be cutting their own business, I guess that remains to be seen…

10 | Brian N

March 7th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

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Then they probably were not the only performer on the bill. But their solo concerts are done for love offerings.

11 | Ruth

March 7th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

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Ticketed events: Frank Arnold shows @ 22.50 per night for balcony seats as I recall. Between the two nights: Perrys, Dove Brothers, Hoppers, McKameys, Gold City, Aaron Wilburn; Jeff & Sheri Easter, Triumphant Quartet, Guy Penrod. I sat next to a lady on Friday night who said she couldn’t afford to come both nights. In retrospect I wish I had bought her a ticket for Saturday night.

Jason Crabb X 3 , $25 artist circle, $25 artist circle, and most recently $15 general admission waaaaaaaaaaay in the back.

I actually find myself “paying” more when it’s a love offering only ($30 or so per person that I bring with me). I’ve been to separate concerts in churches over the last three months by The Greenes, Jeff & Sheri Easter, Jason Crabb, and The Perrys. I feel like I need to help compensate for the people who are less able to give.

12 | Robert York

March 8th, 2010 at 10:57 am

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David,
Glad to see you brought the discussion here. I like to see and consider all the comments people are making. This may even help groups to consider what the attendees think about prices to concerts. I go to a lot of concerts at Churches on Sunday evening for a love offering and have talked with many of the pastors/music directors that have the groups in and don’t think I have found a one that has a major group in that doesn’t have to pay a flat. Recently attended one at a Church that used to have several a year, I asked why they weren’t having as many and their reply was “we have a great choir and several members of our Church that are great singers, why should we pay a group go come in and sing when we have such great talent here that we can use”.

13 | DeeAnnBailey

March 8th, 2010 at 11:10 am

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Brain N – all of Brian Free’s solo dates are NOT love offering. Maybe all of their church solo dates are, I can’t say on that but if they book a concert with a promoter that is NOT the case.

With the amount of offering that people put in a love offering most artists would be off the road in a matter of months if they went on love offerings.

Bill Bailey does a combination of ticket and love offering and it seems to work well for him. He advertises it as such so there are no surprises. They do ask for a ticket donation of $10 at the door HOWEVER if someone does not have that much, they would still be admitted, no one is turned away.

About half way through his program, he does take up a love offering after telling how many folks are in attendance and what the concert overhead is. Those that can afford to pay more than $10 may give then but those that can’t no one is going to say anything. When the offering is taken up, you know exactly how much the door is short of making the budget.

Ex. Last week there were about 900 in attendance and his operationing budget for artists, venue and advertizing was about $12,500. So he was $3500 short.

When the offering was taken you knew exactly what was needed. That was only about $4 more per person, I know I gave more than that because I could. I’m sure there were those that couldn’t but those of us that can do what we can then the need is met.

14 | WB

March 8th, 2010 at 11:56 am

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Booth Brothers alone. $22 reserved artist circle. $18 general admission.
Kingdom Heirs alone. All general admission. Love Offering (ticket states “suggested donation $10)

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